{"id":873,"date":"2026-04-14T04:11:03","date_gmt":"2026-04-14T04:11:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/hhww.mindiii.com\/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=873"},"modified":"2026-04-14T04:11:04","modified_gmt":"2026-04-14T04:11:04","slug":"does-epsteins-interest-in-science-math-equate-to-mad-science-experiments","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/hhww.mindiii.com\/index.php\/podcast\/does-epsteins-interest-in-science-math-equate-to-mad-science-experiments\/","title":{"rendered":"Does Epstein\u2019s Interest in Science &amp; Math Equate to Mad Science Experiments?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>\ud83c\udf99\ufe0f&nbsp;<strong>We are diving straight into the middle of Jeffrey Epstein&#8217;s interview with Steve Bannon, and asking additional questions based on information we now know.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I wonder what Epstein&#8217;s extreme interest in complexity science really means. It reminds me more of the thousands of pesticides and toxins &#8220;they&#8217;ve&#8221; put in our environment than anything else. Yet another thing worth looking into in my opinion &#8211; why did Epstein invest heavily in research on chaos theory.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Epstein and Bannon talk extensively about scientists they knew or studied and why they find them fascinating. Keep in mind when listening to this that Bannon was doing these interviews in an attempt to fix Epstein&#8217;s image before Epstein was imprisoned again.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I looked up all the scientists and quarks and complexity theory and tried to give some background as they talked.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I would once again point out that this is what a lot of abusers look like. Highly intelligent, thoughtful even. Well spoken, they have something to teach you. I had to start drinking wine to cope with the fact that I was hearing their voices.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Epstein&#8217;s extreme fascination with mathematics and science, and his stated reason that he bought Zorro Ranch because of proximity to Santa Fe and the defunded atomic bomb scientists is quite possibly the most disconcerting part of all of this.<\/p>\n\n\n \n<div data-block=\"gutenkit\/button\" data-post-id=\"873\" id=\"block-97a863a8-5c01-46ea-9da7-fc9d97d08fde\" class=\"wp-block-gutenkit-button gkitd08fde gutenkit-block\"><div class=\"gkit-btn-wraper\"><a class=\"gkit-btn\" href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/Z5nNXvgsMtQ?si=OjuiIYuYdmmg2VYY\">Click to Watch<div class=\"icon-right\"><svg version=\"1.1\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"32\" height=\"32\" viewBox=\"0 0 32 32\" class=\"gkit-icon\">\n<title>play-button1<\/title>\n<path d=\"M29.85 8.403c-2.136-3.7-5.585-6.346-9.711-7.452s-8.436-0.538-12.136 1.598c-3.7 2.136-6.346 5.585-7.452 9.711s-0.538 8.436 1.598 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philosophical question used to be a mathematical question<br>\u2013 The implications of them being mad scientist smart<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\ud83d\udc4d&nbsp;<strong>Key takeaway:<br><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n \n<div data-block=\"gutenkit\/button\" data-post-id=\"873\" id=\"block-b0dc491a-252e-48ef-aa8e-3a800cf710bb\" class=\"wp-block-gutenkit-button gkitf710bb gutenkit-block\"><div class=\"gkit-btn-wraper\"><a class=\"gkit-btn\" href=\"https:\/\/share.transistor.fm\/s\/de6e5267\">Click to Listen<div class=\"icon-right\"><svg version=\"1.1\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"32\" height=\"32\" viewBox=\"0 0 32 32\" class=\"gkit-icon\">\n<title>play-button1<\/title>\n<path d=\"M29.85 8.403c-2.136-3.7-5.585-6.346-9.711-7.452s-8.436-0.538-12.136 1.598c-3.7 2.136-6.346 5.585-7.452 9.711s-0.538 8.436 1.598 12.136c2.136 3.7 5.585 6.346 9.711 7.452 1.378 0.369 2.776 0.552 4.165 0.552 2.771 0 5.506-0.727 7.971-2.15 3.7-2.136 6.346-5.585 7.452-9.711s0.538-8.436-1.598-12.136zM29.839 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